I'm so excited to be here today with Kristin Cardillo. She's a registered dietitian nutritionist and certified diabetes care and education specialist currently working as a diabetes program coordinator and managing your. And New York city, she serves active and busy New York city employees who have diabetes.
And she's also certified as an insulin pump trainer. She has a strong passion for translating the science of diabetes and nutrition into practical solutions for healthy living. She uses simple descriptive explanations to educate her patients and understanding their disease, as well as the options available to help them to help themselves.
By serving as an educator for patients as well as other healthcare professionals, she acts as a constant active advocate for better care in a clinical setting. She takes pride in providing the information everyone needs to not be overcome by not just their disease, but the American healthcare system as well.
And welcome to today's episode. Is there anything that I left out with that bio, Kristen? Not at all. Thank you, Libby. That was great. And if you could just share your Instagram handle so everyone listening can connect with you online. Yes, so it's my name, Kristen Cardillo, underscore, currently it's weightloss.
Okay. So on Instagram only, nowhere else at this moment. Awesome. Fantastic. Well, really happy to have you here today. And I was wondering if you could share a little bit, I know diabetes is definitely a specialty and you mentioned weight loss a moment ago. Can you share a little bit about how you got to where you are now being a C.
D. E. right? Which is a definitely a fantastic opportunity for all dietitians, right? You have to get past the test after 1000 hours. So can you just talk a little bit about how you got to where you are today? Yeah, absolutely. So I've been now a dietitian. This is my fifth year and just renewed, right? And over the last couple of years, I made sure that I went down the path of getting officially certified to become, they changed the credentials.
It was CDE and now it's CDCES. It's such a mouthful. So it's the same thing, certified diabetes educator, but the ADCES, Expanded it. So it's certified diabetes educator and care specialist anyways. So to become one, you have to have a thousand hours of patient interaction where it's direct counseling on diabetes.
I did that through working in an outpatient setting. So I was always, you know, delivering diabetes education. Most of it, 90 percent of it was, was, was diabetes. So over, it took me at least a year to do so. And then you have to be a dietician for at least a year as well. In PARSH, that's mostly because you have to accumulate the hours.
Once you accumulate it, I did take a course through you know, ADCS and I could talk more about that if you like but I took a course that really gave me the rundown of everything we need to know, like up to date on diabetes care. That's outside the scope of even or what feels like outside the scope of nutrient, you know, dietitians you look at everything and then after that, I sat down for the exam and yeah, go ahead after you sat down for the exam, then what happened?
No, I was just saying, once passing that, I was already acting as a CDCS at this job. That's what I was hired under originally, my previous job. And then it was just official at that point. And after you got this credential, and thanks for sharing about the new acronym, which I was not aware of. So this is great education.
You're right. It is a mouthful. But okay. After that accomplishment, how are you able to manage less less so about the specifics of the course, but more so about how did you manage studying for that and your full time job with all the other life stuff? Because I think that's what's helpful for the listeners is like, juggling multiple tasks, improving your career, business growth, all of that.
So how did you swing it? Yeah, absolutely. And that's a great question. So I am South, you know, and I'm for promotion, but Diabetes University it's a well known online course with Beverly Tomassian and I say that because not many courses are out there like that. And it does matter on where you're studying for me sitting down.
It felt like a master's degree. It was 50. Actually, it was by the time I was said and done. I had completed 75 C. E. So continuing education on it. Right. Which is a lot that much to the exam by any means, but just to feel for me to feel really confident and prepared for the exam. I ended up really taking the whole.
Force. And it took me at least personally because of working full time. It took me at least a year to do so. Yeah. And so, yeah, it was a matter of, I was, I've always been right. Well, lately I've been in outpatient counseling. And so it was a matter of if a patient didn't show up or there was some room during the day, I would try to complete some courses.
But then when I, when I, I had it put in my head. The day in the month, or at least the month that I want to take the exam. And once I did that, I was able to kind of crunch down a few months before that and make sure that everything was very fresh in my head for the exam and take practice exams and things like that.
But yeah, it feels like you're going to school at night. That's the best way to explain it. Or you give up a weekend day kind of to do it. To, to prepare for it. And that's not to discourage anyone. Everyone learns at different pieces. Sure. Of course. Do it within. They're like, I just started like three or four months before, but I would say it takes at least three or four months to.
To gather everything you can, especially if you weren't maybe working in the field prior to, and everything's new to you, it definitely, you know, can take a little bit of time. And I hear that it's because nurses and other practitioners can, can become certified. So I've heard that it's one of the harder ones.
And it's also very well respected to become a, say the acronym again, it's not CD anymore. It's CDS. What is it? E D C E S. C D C E S. Yes, don't even worry. I know, and I only say that because when people, this just changed I think it was like within two years. So if people are hearing it and I don't, you know, there's that common question, is it a C D E now?
I want to make sure I'm taking the right test because it's such a huge change. So, you know, whoever's listening is interested in that. Yeah, that's why we'll be specific with C. D. C. E. S. But yeah, it is a really, I would say it's a hard exam. It's at least 200 questions. It was similar to the R. G.
exam in way, but it is take it. Yeah. So pharmacists can take it. Doctors can take it. Nurses. Dietitians, and I may be blanking on the other specialty that can do it, but it's not for everyone. And then when you are that, you get to, you know, educate doctors who may not have that, you know, on what's up to keeping them up to date with diabetes education and technology, and you, you know, can really take it and do so many things with it.
But it is a pretty difficult exam worth having, I feel, if you're into that. Like, 1st of all, congratulations, because it's an accomplishment that you were able to pass it. And I'm also really interested in how you were able to juggle studying for it. Knowing your personality. Like, you said, everyone takes test differently.
So it's not fair to say it'll take 3 months or 6 months or 12 months. It's it's kind of like, how long does it take you to study for the exam? You know, there's a spectrum. Some people aren't as natural test takers and it might take them a little longer. They might need to take more practice, practice exams.
And that really parallels like as a dietician, building your skills. And as a business owner, you have to learn more about yourself. So what would you say helped motivate you to stick with it? Like, I love that you said if a patient didn't show up, you use that pocket of time to study, or maybe you dedicated maybe weekend, a half day or an evening.
What kept you going on that schedule, knowing that it was rigorous? Yeah, so I the motivation I knew when I became a dietitian that I wanted to get this credential. Okay. Yeah, it was so a few things. There's a money value to it as well. Okay. Okay, let's be real. Absolutely. Let's be real. It was a way to step up in that world.
So there's there, there is a financial incentive. But I did ever since I, I knew I wanted to become a dietitian. I was about like 16, 17 years old and I always, it was because of diabetes. So I, I always wanted to get this. I was a little delayed. I didn't get it the first two years of being a dietitian.
To me, I was delayed on my personal life. All right, you're gonna, you're gonna hit that earmark and you're gonna sit down and you're gonna Take the exam. And that did not happen for me, . So I was just really motivated to learn more. It was primarily the population I work with and well, like, you know, with diabetes, they, it's so, there's so many other comorbidities that people have.
So this is just one, you know, it's almost 50% of Americans are dealing with pre-diabetes and diabetes. Now it's like the new statistics. When you calculate all together and so I was really motivated by actually my patients too. It was just what I was seeing every day and I wanted to know and I wanted to advise their doctors and help them be better advocates for themselves.
So, it was a lot of work, but the financial incentive, and then just being way more confident and well rounded is what made me feel like more incentivized. Yeah, so I love that. So as a recap, you see, there's a need in the market, right? With so many people who are diabetic and you know that there's a financial incentive and as dietitians are base pay isn't so hot.
So to do anything that as well as 1 thing you didn't mention that you alluded to was like the respect, right? Because if you're teaching PCPs or, you know, Other folks outside of the patients, you're seen as more of an asset to the team. I'm assuming did you perfectly worded? Yes, you worded that perfectly.
So there's a much higher level of respect and confidence that comes with that as well. And I liked being a part of those higher. Level decisions, right? So the same reason why someone may go on and become, like blanking out on the acronym right now for a two feet specialist, right? I think it's CNS.
And so yeah, you're on, you're on the floor and you want to be that point person. Because now you, you are an invaluable asset. You, you were always an invaluable asset, but there's a like a different level of respect that came with it. And so with this, I was. I was confident and able to not only train other people who are more advanced than me, like doctors, NPs and PAs, right, technically, like in their fields but I was able to educate them on this and play a big role in really helping patients get better.
The need they get the help that they need by recommending and teaching them. Don't be afraid of using this medication or let's do this and, and really just open so many doors, you know, so helping people make it do better. Well, that's, that's nice to hear. probably know there are a lot of dietitians that feel disgruntled and I don't have all of the stats, but I would say entry level dietitians and dietitians that are newer in the field.
They might see that the pay rate is low. They might not yet have the thousand hours or have an opportunity to take the test. And that's it. So it's nice to know that dietetics as a, as a career, as an industry, being a dietitian and then adding on certifications that are in high demand, that will help you with more pay, that give you more respect can help boost your credibility in the field is what I'm hearing.
It is. And that's exactly what it is. Cause I don't have my master's degree right now. I came right out of school with my bachelor's and. Got matched to a dietetic internship immediately, and you would never know that right now with not having that. Not that, you know, we're discouraging him, but those extra specialties, those extra certifications that are offered in the field of dietetics can help you advance.
Your career. You're feeling, you know, getting respect from other providers, being an asset on the team and financially speaking, growing. Well, I have opportunities. Yeah. Yeah. And we know that there's a master's mandate now. So if you're listening in your field, I think it's 2024 that the master's mandate went into effect.
I believe so. I might have to Yeah. 2024. So if you're listening and you were grandfathered in, meaning you didn't have a master's before 2020, but I think that's really smart of you, Kristen. I went and got my master's and I do, I was on track to, to become a certified diabetes educator or the CD12, other initials that you are now the specialist in diabetes finish.
I had the hours. I didn't finish the test because I ended up pursuing dietitian boss. But when I look at it in retrospect, I think it would have made more sense for me to do that than my master's. But now you don't have a choice because you have to do your master's. Right. And who would know that? I felt like my master's degree is a special thing.
Well, I'm impressed. I want to go back to, first of all, thank you for sharing your story. And I think it's motivating for practitioners listening. And it's good because we're sharing, you know, you don't have to. If you focus on the certifications and opportunities, it can help solve a lot of the main issues that dietitians have, which is lower pay and also lack of respect.
So, if you find a way to be an asset in your facility, that can really help go a long way with, like, as you mentioned, your confidence and your paycheck. Let's be honest. You know, we got to make a living and be able to pay off debt and whatever other things that we need, whether it's financial freedom or paying for other things.
So, what I want to talk about next, because you, I get a sense that you're an overachiever. I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong, but I know that you have other revenue streams. Can you share a little bit about why that's important to you and what that looks like, given that CD as a diabetes educator, you know, making more money than you would be if you weren't.
Right, right. Absolutely. So, you know, why is it important to have multiple revenue streams? I, you know, for obvious reasons, it's. Something I've always wanted to do. I want to hit that triple. I have hit the triple figure mark and will continue to write. So multiple revenue streams help me do that. It gives me flexibility.
So bringing instead of just working a 9 to 5 constantly, right? Having multiple revenue streams, being able to bring in more flexibility was extremely important to me. And with the multiple revenue streams, I am able to be more in charge of my life. A little bit, not just, you know, slaving away to another company.
And I, I really like, I really felt like I needed that and appreciated that. So that's why I would say multiple revenue streams has been probably so important for me. Wait, what was, now I'm blanking on your follow up question. I got sidetracked. Yeah, so, so you should, you should Y and it's because you and what now?
Yeah, and so can you share and thank you for sharing that. And that's great. People do have different answers, believe it or not, but that is usually a primary 1 and the next question off of that would be what does that look like for you? Because I know you have a couple things in the queue. Yes, absolutely.
Yeah. Sorry. I was like, wait, there's another part to this question. I'm like, I just went sidetracked. Yeah. So I am an insulin pump trainer now. So with the CDC, yes, that does open up some doors to you. That's outside of the world of nutrition for once. I'm not just, I'm actually just jumping on these virtual visits with them, which is great.
I'm not even in person with most of them. So there's a lot of flexibility and I'm able to jump on these virtual visits with them. Okay. Really be flexible, even for the patient, right? And not actually talk about M. N. T. Which I do love to talk about. Do not get me wrong, but it's kind of cool. You know, you get to do something else.
And so I'll do that in the evening hours or on the weekends. It's truly as needed at my own pace and my own schedule. So that's been that's been great. And if anyone, you know, if you do go for that C. D. C. S. And you're into diabetes technology. You know, not only is it honestly is a tremendous field financially speaking.
Okay. There is a lot of growth and I'm not even not starting out insulin pump trainings. Most of them though. They're like 500. For like, most companies seem to be around that. I do not have stats for you right now, but I will say, like, 500 per training and the trainings are 1 to 2 hours at most, depending on that patient and how receptive they are and where they're at in their diabetes journey.
So, there's, there's growth there financially, and I personally wanted to pursue that on top of some other things, which I'll get to with the other passive income. Not just because it could be financially rewarding, but also that was like a challenge for me to master something with diabetes technology.
Right? And again, be able to be a really strong asset in that, like, patient care because each company, each system is just different. So it's super important. And then the other ones I have been selling for, like, the last few years, different handouts since I've been in outpatient counseling, pretty much since the day I started on my own I've developed so many different teaching styles that other dietitians have used, and so I began selling them for the most part, a handful of them over the last few years.
I was doing it through RD to RD. com and that was always great. It was just, you know, there's something beautiful about having passive stream from something you did once or twice, maybe, and it is out there, you know, with your name on it. So a lot of congratulations and a lot of dietitians have this dream that they'll do.
They'll take their, their work, their body of work and monetize it. But fewer of them that have that dream execute on that dream. So can you talk us through how you saw the need, you mentioned dietitians use your teaching trainings. What did you actually do or what, what did it look like to get from the, you know, okay, I've got these handouts to then actually getting it on the platform, which is called RD to RD.
And I've had the owner of RD to RD on this podcast before, Megan, it's great platform where you can sell stuff and make some extra money. I just want to know like what got you from point B. Yeah, absolutely. And it's, it's funny. That was like one of the first, I would say after like a year or two doing it.
And I, and to be, so we know, I'm like, I know more things now in different platforms than I did when I had started this too. And it still is a great platform, and I. We'll still continue to use it, but now I do know, you know, there's other ways and stuff. So as a super beginner who has no experience, right.
With online marketing, or let me tell you, really building a social media platform, cause that was me. And I say that because if anyone's listening, like. You can do this. So if you don't have those things, you want those things because it will make your, you know, your, your, what you're selling so much better, right.
But you, it doesn't have to be perfect. And as always, I know like the biggest hump. So what got me from point A to point B with it? I remember being on her newsletter chain again, and I was using. I found while teaching, right, like very similar stuff. That would apply to majority of patients. And I, I just started putting them together in hand, like the handouts I was using that I, I felt like was better for my experience from working hands on with patients.
Right? I just started kind of piling them together and then made an account with her and literally post it. Like it, it is such a, it was a very simple platform. And in terms of selling, I wish I had a fancy answer to say, because it has been on my to do list this year to use social media platforms or my own website, even sooner than later to really promote it or advertise it and make different ones for, I don't want to say different niches, but maybe different, you know, kind of like different niches, like it could be.
Weight loss and for like, you know, a specific, you know medical disease or something. So, like, more specific handouts and then use social media platforms to then, you know, become, build your rapport with your people and then sell it eventually. Sure, yeah. But, but without even doing that, it gained traction on its own.
I will say that. So, not a lot, not huge traction, but, but interesting that almost like I would forget it's there. It's a start. Yeah. So again, the exact dollar amount doesn't matter. What matters is that you took your, what you already do, your practice and you helped. You found a way to make money from it and to find a, and you found a way that worked for you with where you're at right now.
So you used a platform that's purpose is to help you cut out all the tech so that you can just have it available. And yes, you can take it up a notch and do more promoting. And I know that's in, in the future. But you got it going and done is better. And you did that while studying for your exam while working full time.
I know you're planning a wedding. So, and that's relatable to a lot of the listeners, right? A lot of the listeners have lives. They might be caring for family, but they might be caring for children or the family members. And they have, they might still be in school or they might be juggling multiple jobs.
Like when I was in clinical and they, they just want a small win until they're able to grow that into something bigger. So I want to give you a lot of credit. Because not only were you able to build your skillset as a dietitian through becoming a diabetes educator, but you're also able to come up with finding ways to make money from the skills that you've built and helping your peers, which I think is really incredible.
Thank you. Yeah, that then that was perfectly said in the sense that it was a small win and that's what I was looking for at the time. Without, you know, I feel like I said at the time when I started it, I, and. My my understanding of tech at the time was the biggest barrier. Right? And then it come along your course, which helped dramatically.
But it really was a great, great starting point. Yeah, I'm glad to hear I, I appreciate you sharing that because about your fears, because you're not alone and fearing technology as clinicians. We, you know, we can't do it all right. So, giving yourself the grace to say, hey, I really know this. Let's say style of motivational interviewing or.
I really can understand the logic of this list for this disease state. But then the, the tactical step of getting it onto the internet might be something that you need more handholding until you get that. And so that's what I really want to showcase is that the baby steps can help get you to the, to the next phase.
So that's a good segue into your next venture, which is using the platform called teachable. Can you share a little bit about what you have in store and we can put some links in the. In the show notes, so that the listeners can check out both your handouts and already and they can also check out your, your teachable work.
Yeah. Okay. So with teachable and I have, they're not fully published yet. So I will, I I'll share links, but I know like they weren't fully prepared. They weren't fully finished yet. They're almost about to be published, but one of them is actually. This is for other healthcare practitioners, right? So actually dieticians as well.
It wasn't even towards patients yet. I have visions for that too in the future, but this was to help other healthcare practitioners master their level of like their knowledge level of continuous glucose monitors and diabetes technology. So I was working with a coworker on, we were trying to split it cause we both have at least.
You know, a few different jobs going on at once. And this is a goal for the both of us, right? To create even more, you know, ways of passive income while still making a difference and actually helping, you know, on top of income and stuff. For, for me, like, while I was writing this Continuous Glucose, like, monitoring course, I was writing it from my experience, you know?
And I knew, like, this was stuff I've trained other RGs on before, just in, by working and stuff, and other... Nurses on and I wanted to really provide like a segway for them to understand. And, and, you know, trust us to like, here's how you can use this in practice and hear how it, here's how it's not scary and can make a huge difference.
Right. So this, this was a teachable using your course. I started putting this together this year within like the last six months learning more about it and mastering. And it's, it was specific towards healthcare practitioners and advancing their skills in diabetes technology and that like monitoring.
I love the work that you're doing and I love that you're using your skills and practice and then translating to help your peers and also meeting the objective of giving yourself an opportunity to earn extra income while being a thought leader in your space. Would you mind sharing the work that you're doing with Teachable and creating this continuous glucose monitoring course?
What has been the hardest part of that process and what's come the most natural? Yeah. So the hardest part, as everyone will always say, was time. And that is not because Teachable requires much. Personally speaking, within the last six months, there's been a lot of change in my life, including a change in jobs.
And actually becoming the pump trainer certified and stuff. So it was a lot exams were happening. Life was happening. And so for me, that was the barrier was just time. But I, I know that if we were to just take an hour and commit, right. That we, and that's actually what was happening. So I'm going to backtrack on this.
I've been on pause for about six weeks with it right now, but prior to this. With a little bit organization, right? I was able to dedicate time each week. And because I was doing this with somebody else, we were dedicate, we were setting up biweekly meetings, forcing ourselves to jump on zoom and to stop our lives and to focus on this.
So it was. And then because it was diabetes technology and things, you know, I wanted to make sure everything was fact checked, of course, and so there's like another level of just adding and really, really validated resources because this isn't just for patients. It's for healthcare professionals. So it's like the level of what we were doing was also just super time consuming.
So I would say just just time in that sense was the barrier. Thank you. And prior to this, taking your courses, learning, just giving us some time to, to learn. Everything was also, you know, making sure I'm doing this right. Yeah, do you mean like the tech set up piece? Because now I'm like, there's a few more steps.
Yeah, no. So it's. So what I'm hearing is the marketing plan, right? The allotment of tech backend, and then also just the time to make sure that your information in working with your peer, your friend is fact checked to support, you know, your professionalism to make sure that good about it and what came natural.
So you shared the parts that, that were a little bit of friction. What, what was like, Oh, wow, I didn't know this would be as easy. I guess writing for majority, even though we had a fact check, everything writing it and recording it is the easy part, right? Easier part was putting that together and then just staying organized with, like, we were honoring meeting and we were, you know, really routine for a bit.
But the, the easy part was recording our, our webinar, essentially, our course, I should say and writing it. I love it. I love that because as, as dietitians, we tend to not give ourselves enough credit. Like we know this information. And so for you to say the easiest part was just taking all the pump knowledge I have and translating it onto some tech platform.
You're basically speaking it, but you're pressing record to share that with the listeners is really powerful because yes, we have a few gaps that include marketing and tech, but we're already sharing stuff. We know. This is whether it's diabetes related or for some of you listening, it might be sports related or whatever it might be.
Like, this is what we know. So I went to school for. Yeah. So I think that's really inspiring to share. Like do what, you know, not to ever, like Yeah. Do what you know it's going. You, you can and wherever. 'cause we all have certain niches within wherever your specialty is, even if it's, it's super even smaller, like, like vegan and mothers, right.
Or something like very super tiny like that. Just, you know it, write the handout. Write the handout, write the, write the presentation that you might record one day. Don't hold back on that. Yeah, and, and You're a good a good role model because you did that, you walked the walk right after the talk and you got it out there on RD to RD.
And that was the start of it, right? That, you know, helped you get it out there. And then as you grew and did certifications and courses and whatnot, you were able to build more on top of that. So awesome storytelling about your journey. Is there anything else that you want to share? With the listeners that there were so many takeaways here, Kristen.
I really enjoyed talking to you. But if there's anything else you think the listeners should should hear about as they're trying to develop their career, stay motivated and think about business in a less scary way. Yeah, that's a really good question. So you know, to stay motivated, that's such a, you know, I never thought about it.
Like, I don't think I really did. Like, how do I stay motivated? When all these things are so subconscious, right? But. Follow your passion with it, whatever it is, you know we, when I got into this field, I will never forget. I went with my mother to an open house at my college and was, it was, you know, you're a senior and it was a dietetics accredited program, right?
You go in, you come out, you know, ready to go sit, go to the internship, the whole thing. And they, they discouraged it so bad. Yeah, this was, yeah, that story always stuck out. And I went to graduate, I graduated college, it was like 2012, right? So it was, it was funny. I picked this, I wanted to do it. I was like, I really wanted to be an actor.
I wanted to learn more. And I was like, all right, let's, let's give this a try. And I'll never, like I said, at that open house, they were like, there's no money on this field. Why don't you try doing, and these were coming from dietitians themselves at the time who were running, running with this program or other professors in it.
And, you know, it was, it was interesting. So from there, I just remember my mom and I looked at each other. We're like, nah, we'll see what happens. You know, I. The takeaway is I knew I was going to love it. I gave myself the option that if I didn't we could walk away, right? I wasn't gonna just stay in it, but I fell in love with the courses even more, right?
And so this whole time staying motivated has been, and that I think that's why I've also stayed in outpatient and education. That's just my happy place. That's where I feel the most passionate. I love, love, love working with people and helping them learn something that really does change their lives.
Especially now honing in on this disease that I'm working with, it's a whole other level. And so, stay motivated by just following your passion. Don't... You know, if you think that there's no money in that area, don't, do not let that discourage you. You don't know what it will be like in a few years. And there's always a way to make money in the area, wherever you niche down, right?
Like, but you always like find your, you know, what you love, what you know, and just run with it and things will work out. So follow what makes you happy and what you're passionate about over time. And the rest will fall together. And it does. There's so many ways for it to pull together in this field.
Thank you for sharing that story about the open house. I think that that's very real that situations happen. So I really appreciate you giving a little bit of background into your life and your experiences. I also hear in addition to passion is your skill. So you have the skill to educate. You have the skill to be able to manage multiple tasks.
Right, even and again, no judgment if it takes 1 person, 2 years to study for an exam or 6 months. Like, we're not all the same in terms of how we take a test. But what I'm hearing from you is that your skill lies in assessment and counseling and working with interdisciplinary team. You mentioned client care earlier.
And so you gravitated towards positions that focus on that, and that's really helped you. Right? Maybe it has been you hadn't thought about it exactly, but I'm seeing that you're able to to really use your skills to your advantage. And I think the listeners can benefit from that, because if you. are good at something, then you want to try to put more energy into that thing you're good at.
And you want to spend time thinking about what you're good at because we all have different skills. Some of us are great with two fee calculations and we don't want to see patients and some of us only want to educate. So like learning that can help us stay on track on the field in the field.
Absolutely, absolutely. But try to become, as I, I don't know if it's going to come out the right way, but like the best of the best in your, in your area for you is, do you feel confident? To me, I guess like in indirect measures, it was okay, if I know pump therapy, like I felt like I got it, like I got diabetes down in a way.
That's just like one example of different internal ways of kind of assessing myself over time to be like. Okay, you know this like you're good like you're the expert now go teach it and preach it or hide behind the scenes and do it which is not even I should say hide by the scenes are always a vital aspect but if it's two feet which is also another place I always loves but I ended up going with this route.
If it's that, become, become the expert. Make sure that people know that you know, you know, you spend all this time educating yourself and learning. You do know it. Just tell everyone what you know. That's I find that's the biggest battle with this field. I mean, they're just like, what are you doing? What is that?
What does that even mean? And it's Like a mouthful when you try to explain it. So just have the confidence to believe in it. This was such a fun episode, Kristen. I'm so glad we got to talk and thank you for sharing all of your tips and tricks and hanging out with me and Hamilton. So we're going to wrap up.
And if you could just remind everybody where to find you on social, it will be in the show notes. We'll have all your information. Just one last time. So folks can connect with you and then we'll wrap up. Yeah. So my Instagram Hansel which is Kristen Cardello underscore weight loss, and I will, I will send that as well.
And then actually even by email. So if it's for networking purposes or just. Communicating email's always the best way to get me. So my email's Kristen Cardillo [email protected]. And we'll put it, I'll send it to you so people know how to spell it properly. Yep. We'll have that in the show notes so folks can reach out to Kristen and, and make friends and more about how great she is.
And it was so much fun. So thanks again.